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Hi, just letting you know that this revert of Xcalivyr at Template:Usage of IPA templates‎ doesn't seem to have been well motivated. At the time of their edit, {{IPAc-fr|j|@|-|s|U|i|s_|a|m|é|r|i|c|ain}} yielded Template:IPA-fr, which was clearly unwanted since the whole point of {{IPAc-fr}} is to convert orthographic representations of French to IPA and j in French usually represents [ʒ] and rarely [j]. But instead of reverting your revert, I edited the responsible template, {{C-fr}}, so {{IPAc-fr|j}} now yields Template:IPA-fr. j was already specified to be converted to [ʒ], and it was converted to [j] only because it was doubly specified to be converted to [j] and that preceded [ʒ]. So it was basically a syntax error. Xcalivyr spotted it, even if the way they fixed it may not have been ideal. Nardog (talk) 15:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

My edit was motivated by another edit that was equally unexplained, which screwed up formatting. A subsequent check indicated that most of that editor's changes were beneficial, but it was unclear that the edit I reverted was useful. Thank you for fixing the edit, but please avoid making assumptions concerning other peoples' motivations. Acroterion (talk) 23:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not implying (nor did I think) that you had any ill intent. You reverted an edit without knowing whether it was useful, and it turned out it was. I was just leaving a note that you could have been more cautious, though it's an error anyone (myself included) is capable of and by no means do I accuse you of any kind of ineptitude, let alone bad faith. Nardog (talk) 06:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Brescia LTA

• A new one today, 87.15.94.95. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks, are you still tracking them? I'll have another go at placing rangeblocks, since they appear to have stirred themselves up. Acroterion (talk) 22:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Yes, I'm maintaining a list here. Please ping me if you find any new ones. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:47, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:26, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

ping :)

Hi Acroterion, I tried to ping you in Special:Diff/1031305635. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:59, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I saw it and meant to get back to you, but things intervened. I think I got the paperwork wrong, but if any article ever needed page-level sanctions for BLP and AP, that one's it. Acroterion (talk) 18:05, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah. Hm. I have now had a closer look and fixed the talk page notice to match the current situation. Regarding the content dispute about the word "debunked", I'm afraid neither 1RR nor "consensus required" nor WP:ONUS would have any different effect than removing the disputed term until a clear consensus for inclusion is found. I can't see a talk page discussion about the issue either, and the most recent edit war about the topic was between an extended-confirmed user and an administrator. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:44, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

70.161.8.90

Once again IP editor 70.161.8.90 is involved in edit warring and personal attacks, this time in the article about the Pleasant Valley War. Maybe you should block him again.216.128.232.11 (talk) 16:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Can you show me the personal attacks? I'm just seeing grumpiness and two reverts. Acroterion (talk) 16:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

protected edit request

Regarding your protection of Sara Jacobs here. Could you also take a look at Scott Peters (politician)? The same sockpuppet is disrupting that page as well. Thanks. Kire1975 (talk) 05:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

About possibility of self-reviewing and restoring some removed content due to impartiallity

Hello Acroterion:

Thanks for your help about my recent additions and the message left in my talk page. I am replying in your talk page as you suggested.

I agree with you with the reason to remove my last edit in Olive_oil_regulation_and_adulteration and noted is a fair decision.

I see also that previous editions in Jamon iberico and Jamón Serrano have been removed as well. Is is possible for me to rework those two editions to comply with Wikipedia rules and guidelines and contribute again a few weeks later? Even this reply is now flagged as "potential vandalism" by automated filters, so not sure if I should try to edit anything again regarding those matters.

I don't want to give the impression I am retaliating or trying to make reviewers lose more time. You don't need to reply about the following lines and I won't raise any further discussion. Just wanted to point in good faith that Jamon iberico includes a caveat: "buyer should beware and not fall victim of retail or wholesale bait-and-switch or fraud", should a caveat like that be included in other luxury product entries susceptible of fraud/counterfeit? Caviar, French wine, Rolex for example doesn't mention any caveat (and I think is right not to do that when is common sense that any expensive product can be subject to fraud).

The caveat is just before another section called "Availability in the United States" which informs about when US started to reimport Iberico ham after being banned and then includes reference to "The Guardian" newspaper article talking about new US based Iberico pork producers in Texas and Georgia. I agree encyclopaedias are to avoid any commercial talk. But after reading those last paragraphs I wasn't careful enough and left myself drive into confusion. Sorry about that.

Many thanks again. Francisco Fernandez Rodriguez (talk) 11:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

The olive oil edit was the one that concerned me the most. I think your edits to jamon-related topics could easily be edited with the right sourcing and subject knowledge to be fully-referenced and neutral. There was just a little too much editorializing, which was hard for me to pick through on an iPad in the middle of the night. I recommend that you try again, being extremely careful to reference everything, and to attribute statements that are judgments to a source in the text, rather than making statements in Wikipedia's voice. The discussions of hog genetics seem to me to be relevant. I was tempted to remove the discussion of olive oil (which is what must have led you there) in the jamon article as a tangent. The Canadian syrup was a similar tangent - all of that would be better suited to an article on counterfeiting in food, which I've not looked at. Acroterion (talk) 11:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Appreciate much the quick reply and the kind advice. Also I discovered the sandbox, will use it to practice and self-review before publishing again. Honestly I have read again the reverted editions and should not have published them so carelessly, I see a bit ashamed some parts I thought I had removed before publishing. I remember I was frantically browsing to find reliable references and ended with several tabs open editing the same page, plus dozens of tabs with references I wanted to link and just published to close the laptop and go to bed. Will rework them with time and hope I can trim all the fat off the ham :) Francisco Fernandez Rodriguez (talk) 23:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Sources

No problem, take your time, and remember that any format issues can be … cured. Let me know if you have any questions. Acroterion (talk) 00:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

More personal attacks and USTHEM and SOAPBOX over at Talk:Ivermectin

See these diffs: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Thanks for any help you can provide. --Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 16:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Blocked as a normal admin action for personal attacks. Discretionary sanctions may be forthcoming if they don't stop attacking other editors. Acroterion (talk) 16:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the mopping Acroterion, appreciated as always.--Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 18:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Something is going wrong here

You should be able to see a "citation" from July 3, 2020. Saying that a White city police officer “deputized” members of the lynch mob and “instructed them to get a gun and get a n-----,” according to the Oklahoma Historical Society."

Are you seeing that? --71.193.6.149 (talk) 23:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

No. It says "White police officer deputized ..." It's a typo in the source. There's no "A". Acroterion (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Police officer remains singular. 71.193.6.149 (talk) 23:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Because it's a typo, the sentence makes no sense otherwise. Acroterion (talk) 01:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Glad to know we agree that only one police officer was giving out guns according to the source. 71.193.6.149 (talk) 23:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

There is no source saying "An officer" or "only one officer," there's something that's either a typo or a significant grammatical error, whose interpretation by you isn't supported by any other sourcing. Acroterion (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

AmorLucis

I was going to report them to ANI over this [[9]], but then I saw you blocked them. I do not think they will learn as it is clear they are here to fight the good fight.Slatersteven (talk) 12:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

And their appeal confirms it to my mind.Slatersteven (talk) 16:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

It's going about as expected. The unblock request is a sustained statement of grievances against everybody else. They're going to talk themselves into an indef. Acroterion (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Complaint

And you don't know me well enough to say it's an amateur diagnosis.

--71.193.6.149 (talk) 23:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Shall I warn you about the biographies of living persons policy, which applies to the recently deceased? That needs extensive sourcing, not your conjecture. Acroterion (talk) 23:46, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Oops

I managed to edit conflict with you when tagging User:Jadebavister04 for deletion - could you delete it again please? Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 14:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Done. By the way, that formulation of first/last name/number, with an often-different name in the userpage body, a set of unlikely interests, and a link is nearly always a spambot. Acroterion (talk) 14:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I've noticed that they always seem to trip the same three edit filters as well - I normally find examples through the filter log - see this list of spambots that I keep in my userspace. Pahunkat (talk) 14:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, they pop out once you see the format, don't they? 499 is the one I usually check, I end up blocking one to four spambots a day. Acroterion (talk) 14:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Reply to your statement in my User page

I have no reason to stop editing any Talk pages that are biased, and suggesting that kind of discussion isn't ilegal anywhere in Wikipedia, that should be answered with arguments exposing how the article isn't biased and has a neutral vision, which clearly is not the case of the referred article. Trying to censor discussions and topics in Wikipedia is innapropriate. Edits in Talk pages are totally legal according to Wikipedia's rules, when you try to adress some problem related to the article starting a discussion, that was the case. Biasedness absolutely is a problem. I claimed one article was one sided, protected from editings from people trying to fix that (My edits were basically discussions in the Talk page about the article's problems) and so on. This is actually a systemic issue in some areas in Wikipedia, by the way. I saw here a lot of people complaining about your removings. Maybe you have some ego issue by doing that. Wikipedia loses it's integrety because of this kind of attack on it's free nature. Have a good day, and i'm not interested in excuses for censorship in Wikipedia, i'm not waiting for any excuses, censorship even in so small things, continues a problem for any society, institution or group of people. The topics were legal. So have a good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.255.59.62 (talk • contribs)

Please read WP:FORUM. Talkpages are for specific suggestions to improve articles, not for philosophical discussions about the existence of topics that are amply covered in reliable sources. Acroterion (talk) 02:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Edits on Camp of the Saints

Hello Acroterion

Thank you for your message. I resent the allegation of "watering down" - if you please read my entire post I was encouraging the re-writing of the article inline with its French equivalent, which in fact has more specific literary detail on race / racism as noted in the discussion, but is written in a less hysterical way and above all with a focus on the book, rather than obscure American political figures reactions to it. I'm disappointed to learn that essay with its lurid terminology and adolescent tone is widely excepted on the English wikipedia, but will take your word for it. The clear consensus in the discussion page of the CoTS article remains that the introduction was too strongly worded and does in fact require moderation from its current form. This is not "watering down", its accuracy and proportion. Thank you for your time and feedback

You keep saying the same thing. I disagree, both with your premise that it must be rewritten to coincide with the French version, and the characterization of the article's language, which you appear to want to water down. The article appears to have closely translated from the French version, and shares the French structure, without the excessive plot summary in the introduction. I recommend that the references to racism be appropriately expanded, and that the french article's references to dehumanization of the migrants be incorporated. If you're going to keep rejecting mention that the book has been criticized for racism or praised by racists as "hysterical" or "adolescent," you won't get far. The commentators offered in the French version would be equally or more obscure to English-language readers. Acroterion (talk) 22:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Doris Miller

You need to do your homework. Doris Miller was a First Class, read the article, towit "Miller advanced in rating to mess attendant first class on June 1, 1942.[1][16]". I was NOT being disruptive but rather trying to make it more accurate. Stop being so full of yourself, do your homework, and leave me alone. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 23:28, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Read the source: "On June 1, 1943, Miller received another promotion, that of Petty Officer, Ship′s Cook Third Class" I will investigate the contradicition between the article and the source. In the meantime, donm't lecture other editors. Acroterion (talk) 23:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Cook third class ranked mess attendant first class. Acroterion (talk) 23:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Why not? That's what your edits show you do multiple times a day. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 23:35, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

That's what administrators do. Take the attitude off the encyclopedia. Acroterion (talk) 23:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

HAHAHA that's so funny and hypocritical. YOU need to take your attitude off the encyclopedia. No wonder you guys have so much trouble retaining editors. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 23:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Glad I could amuse you. Acroterion (talk) 23:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Why did you reject my Talk Experience article with Carrie Fisher at FanX

To the user Acroterion.

As you know I really did meet Carrie Fisher at Salt Lake City Utah FanX in 2015. May I ask, was that talk article inappropriate? I don't know all of the rules of Wikipedia as I'm an autistic man. Can you tell me what's going on? I only wanted to share my personal experience of meeting a celebrity at FanX convention. CrosswalkX (talk) 17:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Talkpages are for specific, sourced suggestions for article improvements. They're not a place for general discussion, or a place to share reminiscences. Acroterion (talk) 17:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

A beer for you!

You do not get paid enough for this. This is the least I can do. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:52, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Farkas

He's the most Jewish person in the world.

1. His name
2. He was born in Ohio, which has a lot of Jews
3. This https://forward.com/schmooze/155312/wealthy-jewish-new-yorkers-are-packing-heat/?gamp

Still don't think he's a proud Jew? --62.165.254.177 (talk) 08:52, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia's manual of style requires that nationality and ethnicity or religion not be conflated, that ethnicity or religion be mentioned only of they are fundamental to the subject's biography, and that it be sourced. We don't call out that Presbyterians are packing heat, for instance, or call them Presbyterian Americans, and we never label somebody because they have a "Jewish-sounding name." Acroterion (talk) 13:35, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Richard J. Stephenson

It seems I started this article many, many years ago. The fellow owns a for-profit cancer hospital chain. When I started it, I mentioned his activity in conservative politics. Now, that is all gone. It seems an unregistered user **50.112.131.150** has a long-running interest in the article and keeps it nice and favorable. I have added this back to my watchlist. I wonder if we might want to do something to protect this page. I value any thoughts you might have. PaulinSaudi (talk) 20:19, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

It's gotten considerable attention from a series of widely-scattered IPs and on very focused account. For some reason some of them thought it was vital to discuss his wife's figure skating career, or to debunk it. It looks to me like it's seen some PR polishing. It's not really a candidate for protection, but it certainly needs some cleanup and a less glossy focus. Acroterion (talk) 00:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

RevDel request (edit summary)

I'm not totally familiar with our guidelines here, but the (other) f-word in this little number puts it past the bar for me – thanks! AngryHarpy‍^talk 08:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Nordic Resistance Movement

You made a mistake by reversing my corrects on the Nordic Resistance Movement article. National Socialism is what the ideology was named and used until ww2 concluded, the terms “nazi” and “neo-nazi” are political epithets that are inappropriate for a website that strives for a neutral point of view, that is why the article on the U.S.S.R is not entitled “commie russia” or the article on the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is not entitled “goatf**ker Afghanistan”. You as a moderator should know that Wikipedia was originally meant to be neutral and should continue to be. Bigboi71 (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia goes by reliable sources, not by what you think something should be called. They're called neo-Nazis in reliable sourcing, so that's what Wikipedia calls them.Acroterion (talk) 16:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Need help regarding talk page conduct

Would you please revert this hatting of an ongoing content dispute? I disagree with VQuakr when they performed it. There is no solid grounds for such a thing, and the discussion is not a duplicate. All or almost all of the points raised in it are completely new. I don't necessarily intend to continue the discussion (I had already requested WP:3O, and intend to wait to see if someone will respond), but I don't agree with it being hatted. I would also revert myself but it seems better that an administrator does it. — Alalch Emis (talk) 23:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Pinged here. If you feel strongly enough about it to request admin help, I will self-rv. Further discussion should be at the previous thread since that is still a fork. VQuakr (talk) 00:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I feel strongly about it. Kindly revert. I disagree with your opinion on where the discussion should be continued but I have already requested 3O and intend to wait a while. — Alalch Emis (talk) 00:05, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I see no reason to take any action - it seems like this discussion should take place in one venue, rather than hopping across multiple closely related talkpages. Acroterion (talk) 00:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

hi friend

let's talk here. i feel more comfortable.

• the topic you are confused about is an extension of the discussion @VQuakr: tried to bring to your attention in order to get me blocked.

long story short: he says my claim that the GAO report (government accountability office), which gave NASA the opportunity to reconsider the award for the solid rocket boosters awarded to the contractor (which were found to have caused the disaster) were not enough to warrant retention because it did not explicitly state the boosters were problematic.

however it is to be noted the GAO report did not quote the other competitors' proposals in full, it merely quoted one passage as an example outlining lockheed's concerns about the winning proposal (where they stated the nozzle design would be a safety concern, which quakr said were found not to have contributed to the disaster).

• so, i have FOIAd the entire set of documents in possession of the GAO, which includes all of the design proposals and additional arguments made in the process of the dispute of the award.

i believe (genuinely) this is the first time in history (i'm pretty sure, they can't tell me that) someone has asked for all documents in their possession.

i suspect a lot of dirty laundry will be aired out once we see exactly what each contested proposal said. i believe aerojet (who finished third or last, i forget which) also voiced concerns about the winning manufacturer's designs (thiokol).

it is rare for an impartial government body to have all of the documents that would also in nasa's possession. in this instance, these documents were produced to assist the GAO's investigation over the disputed award.

imagine if i had asked NASA for these. i bet they would have redacted the shiz out of them and refused to give them. since they're in the GAO's hands i have a lot of confidence we'll be get unredacted stuff

exciting times, or so i think. we shall know in a few weeks hopefully! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.108.48 (talk) 01:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't an appropriate place for you to publish original research or the results of your personal investigation. That's what people are warning you about. Find somewhere else on the Internet to reveal hidden truths. Acroterion (talk) 01:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

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Salman Khan revdel request

Hi, as I noticed you're part of CAT:REVDEL, I'm here to request a deletion of this vandalism and my revert per WP:CRD as "grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material" - it is an added profanity that should probably not be visible on a BLP. Thanks. --IronManCap (talk) 14:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it. Revdel'd. Acroterion (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Much appreciated. --IronManCap (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Question

Re the Key Biscayne media edit, what would be the proper way to add an entry? I am the publisher and want it it to be verifiable, independent, and without a COI issue. I started an article draft on the new newspaper. Advice welcome. Thanks. My hope would be to slowly improve other pages with current information. For example, I updated the info to reflect election in 2020 and new village administration. Tony Winton (talk) 18:53, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

• You will need to make the requisite declaration of your conflict of interest in this matter - see WP:COI.
• You will need to find substantial reporting or academic scholarship in independent media, preferably on at least a regional scale and ideally national. See WP:V and WP:RS. This accomplishes two things - it shows notability in secondary sources, so this encyclopedia, a tertiary source, can use their recognition to establish a basis of notability - see WP:NOTE. It also allows us to use independent assessments by other media, rather than self-sourced statements that have no objective distance. See WP:ABOUTSELF - while not inherently unreliable, sourcing content to an organization's statements about itself is to be avoided for all but the most straightforward content.
• You'll need to avoid directly editing the topic if and when it is accepted as an article.
• While the threshold for mention in a related article is lower than for a stand-alone article, there still needs to be some justification of notability - orgnaizations aren't included on the basis of simple existence.
• Hope this helps. Acroterion (talk) 19:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

  It's very helpful, thanks. I think the simplest way to proceed would be to locate a wiki editor who has some experience handling journalism and media articles and suggest an article. We are a member of the Institute for Nonprofit News and there are probably a number of solid, local news organizations in the same boat. Many of these will only be 'notable' at the city or county level, so that it a bit of a conundrum. Tony Winton (talk) 21:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

  Notability is the hill to be climbed, I think.Sometimes that just takes time and an accumulation of notice - regional and national press awards, things like that. I've seen a lot of topics that were initially rejected as non-notable gain notability and cross the bar over the last fifteen years. Acroterion (talk) 23:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

whigger is not a racial insult

i don't understand how the word 'whigger' is offensive. didn't you just participate in a discussion about how darknippes is borderline?

are you going to seriously tell me that darknipples is somehow more acceptable than WHIGger?

i don't even see how the word wigger is a perjorative because, unlike the n word (highly inappropriate), the word 'wigger' was essentially coined to disparage a white person imitating black culture.

the actual analogue for the n word, for white people, is the word "cracker". it's not "wigger". so i reject this allegation.

isn't there anyway to take it to a vote? i'm seriously shocked that this word, intended to show my fanfare of the Whig party, is deemed offensive. i think it is deserving of a WP administrator vote because it is not at all racist. 198.53.108.48 (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

• Log into your account

  Stop trying to be cute with the username change. Pick something that isn't an attempt to explore boundaries, or drop it. Acroterion (talk) 18:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

  Heya , just alerting you that the user has very much not dropped it and is being quite uncivil towards Jacona on Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations. My apologies if it would be more appropriate for me to take this elsewhere or if you were already aware. Cheers! ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 01:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, both the IP and account are blocked. They are about to run out of chances. Acroterion (talk) 01:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Question

Been following the unfolding drama with a disruptive IP user (the one with the disgusting name change request), and I noticed this comment: "so few edits? have you seen what my IP has contributed? this is just one IP. if i made a list it would put most to shame.". Is that an implication of socking? (iow; disruptive edits using multiple other IP accounts). Not sure if you caught that, and if you did, is it being looked into further, especially wrt any more name change and/or unblock requests. Anyway, just curious, I'll leave it to you and any other admins dealing with this. - wolf 03:37, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

It was a little hard to take anything they said seriously, but I accepted at face value that they've been editing via IPs for a long time. They didn't appear to resemble anybody else I'd encountered before who was being disruptive, I would think I'd remember a consistently disruptive set of Edmonton IPs. I hadn't looked into it in much detail - they bounced from topic to topic, and I'm surprised they didn't get in more trouble sooner, but then they've only occupied the current IP since late June.The Challenger thing seems to have been their most recent hobbyhorse. I suspect a little digging would find prior IPs

However, I see that ST47 has made a CU block on the IP now (just after you posted), and without connecting IPs to accounts, it appears that they're still misbehaving, but they don't appear to have a drawer full of active socks.

My enthusiasm for playing wiki-detective is low at present, but I think I'll spend a little time looking around for old IPs. Acroterion (talk) 03:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hello how are you hope you are well can you review and edit this article Draft:Ali Al Suleiman (writer)

and it's ok, move it to mainspace

Stay safe

Where is the talkpage on the O-Six article ? I am new and i do not know where that is.

Where is the talkpage on the [O-Six] article ? I am new and i do not know where that is.

Talk:O-Six - see the tab in the upper left corner of the frame. I moved your notes there so they would be preserved. Acroterion (talk) 00:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

302M

- Text edited with sources - References tried by example with other pages using the same types of reports and also how you referenced the book on wolves that you referenced yesterday.

I had difficulties with structuring a paper that has multiple authors (the "et al" doesn't work). I had to insert 7, 11 and 11 authors for 3 annual reports. also, how it worked out is confusing. It would be to check if you have the time to. Thanks for your time.

Contributing

I wasn't trying to cause trouble. Cwater1 (talk) 02:04, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

That's why I just left a mild warning, before you got in too deep. Acroterion (talk) 02:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I don't want to get in trouble. I'll be careful what I say. Cwater1 (talk) 03:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

You were straying away from trying to persuade to more personal discussions, and posting walls of text is a poor way to get anyone to take your suggestions seriously. Keep it short, read the policies that other editors are telling you about, work from within established policy, and be respectful. Read the archives - people get weary of explaining things over and over. Thanks.Acroterion (talk) 04:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I get the point now. I think we're good to go. Cwater1 (talk) 04:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

I still bad for making that mistake. I do apologize. Cwater1 (talk) 17:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing

Not sure where my disruptive editing was, so please elaborate. I use Wikipedia daily and I never go into editing pages. There is no reason to, maybe it was some sort of error.

Peter Hotez

How is posting factual information vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.33.11 (talk • contribs)

I think you know. Stop doing silly things like that. Acroterion (talk) 17:21, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Major Problem in the page Mammal

When you click on the albino elk of the description template, it leads you to reindeer. Gimly24 (talk) 20:54, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Have you found the source picture? Ir does look like an elk in velvet, but at that image size I can't really tell. The automatic taxobox is so inscrutable that it's impossible for anybody to figure out where the sourcing comes from, including me. This is a fine example for editors writing the encyclopedia for coders, rather than for editors. Acroterion (talk) 21:12, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I found it.Yes, it's an elk. Now to go figure out how to label it correctly. Ideally, we should be careful about "elk," since in European usage an elk is a moose. Acroterion (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. I will look at the way to change such templates in the future or now where i can. The page mammal is semi-protected. Gimly24 (talk) 21:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I posted a grumpy complaint at Talk:Mammal. It didn't help that the original upload called it a caribou. Acroterion (talk) 21:21, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

check this picture, it is the same animal (antlers fully grown) : http://www.wagontrails.com/media/109692d0-84e4-4c9c-ac8f-2c0f4e997538/CQ3_uQ/animals/ps-2011-02-04-12-23-39.jpg?mw=1000&mh=600 Gimly24 (talk) 21:25, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I found how ! rect 530 380 350 500 reindeer. Change it to rect 530 380 350 500 Wapiti.

I was overthinking it, thanks. Fixed, and since our primary article calls it an elk, that's how I edited it. You should be autoconfirmed in a few more days, which will let you edit semiprotected articles. You're doing extremely well in learning how this stuff works, good job! Acroterion (talk) 21:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Awesome ! Thanks ! Gimly24 (talk) 21:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

It was this edit [10] in 2015 that added the descriptions. Acroterion (talk) 22:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

What specifically is wrong with my changes?

The entry about the SCV is heavily biased against the SCV and it is wrong. My changes focused on the organization itself and removed biased and incorrect material. What specifically "does not conform to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert AC1 (talk • contribs)

The NPOV policy requires us to describe subjects as they are described by reliable sources in academic scholarship, major published references and in independent media. Please review the references that you removed - articles do not necessarily describe subjects the way the subject might wish to be described - neutrality is determined with respect to the bulk of coverage in reliable sources. They do not get watered down to present a subject in a favorable light if the coverage is unfavorable. As with anything more than routine editing, you will need to gain consensus for your changes on the article's talkpage - major undiscussed changes and removal of sourced material in favor of unsourced content is not to be done. Acroterion (talk) 23:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Comicsgate Lack of Neutrality

I see you've deleted my post in the Comicsgate talk page. That is disappointing, because it means there is actually someone with an administrator title allowing that article to very blatantly be steered in a direction that's decidedly not neutral. People there are acting in bad faith towards the intent of Wikipedia being an unbiased source of information, and the rationale employed by GrandpaLLama and others amounts to disingenuous and sophistic dancing within the letter of the rules. Specifically, the rationale is that an editor is not acting in bias if they make a biased, subjective statement as fact, and and then they cite as a source an editorial that shares their bias. So the goal of neturality has a very simple workaround that can be gamed.

This gaming-the-system conduct is at least tacitly supported through lack of intervention.

I actually came to this article to get some information on Comicsgate. The first line in the article is "Comicsgate is a campaign in opposition to diversity and progressivism in the North American superhero comic book industry". This is not putting the content on a neutral path, since it is obviously letting its opponents define its goals. The sources that back it up are editorials, critical and vitriolic and full of personal bias. I'm sure there's some wonderful rule that can be regurgitated to support such tactics, but my question to you is thus: do you not see an attempt by editors to use the letter of the rules to present a biased view against the article's subject? 71.56.4.128 (talk) 17:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

What it means is that you may not take backhanded swipes at other editors in discussions. You can make an argument without that. Acroterion (talk) 23:00, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, that was quite a sidestep, but let me see how my next pass goes. 71.56.4.128 (talk) 00:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Given my answer, my warning and the stated reason for the revert on the talkpage, it should probably occur to you that the thesis you advanced in the complaint above was faulty. Acroterion (talk) 00:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Considering that none of those actions you undertook addressed the thesis I raised here or on the talk page, I don't see how you can say any fault was exposed. Unless the fault in the thesis you're referring to is the notion that a Wikipedia admin would be an advocate of neutrality, in which I case I'm not talking to the right person. 71.56.4.128 (talk) 01:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Administrators deal with behavior, not content - you were moving into personal attack territory. Reformulate your argument without veiled reflections on other editors.You are obligated to observe the conduct required by policy. If you just want to argue, you've come to the wrong shop. Acroterion (talk) 01:45, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

That's a clear explanation, and I do not fault you removing what you consider to be an insult. You were in the right on that. Having said that, if administrators concern themselves only with conduct, what is the proper channel for raising concerns that an article is being edited in a bias fashion? It's not supposed to be an endless tug-of-war of edits, right? 71.56.4.128 (talk) 02:04, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

The talkpage is where respectful discussion belongs, keeping in mind that consensus of reliable sourcing determines emphasis and NPOV. You may get along better if you remember that the correct word is the past participle "biased." Sorry to be too pedantic, but it will be less irritating to other editors if you avoid web forum grammar, and they will tend to take you more seriously. Acroterion (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I am not experienced with Wikipedia, so I welcome pedantry. By all means. My concern is that from reading the Talk page that Grandpallama (in particular, but not exclusively) is beyond respectful discourse. This individual has already expressed his personal antipathy towards the topic. This person has already asserted that "the way Wikipedia works" is that an editor can state as matter of fact that someone is a white supremacist because they found an editorial on the internet ("well-respected and peer-reviewed") where someone leveled that label for them. Grandpa's civility is marginal. He browbeats. He is not seeking consensus, and from looking at the history page, neither are the individuals who are instantly reverting any change that attempts to remove biased remarks. Given all that, could discussion on the Talk page help spur collective will to bring a semblance of NPOV? Or are editors held hostage by someone hovering over the "Undo" button? 03:03, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Don't personalize discussions like that. Acroterion (talk) 00:44, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

You have some impressive patience, Acroterion. :) Grandpallama (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Long ago I learned to conduct discussions like that on my terms (which I hope are aligned with those of the community), and not on the complainant's terms. They usually don't like that, but it keeps discussions a lot shorter. Acroterion (talk) 22:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

False disruptive edit

I got a “disruptive editing” for a page that was supposed to be like the page Hypixel, if that one can stay the one I wrote should to. Ninjagokristian (talk) 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Don't spam gaming servers. Acroterion (talk) 00:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

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Edit

Hi, i saw what trolls had did, and was attempting to revert it. By time i did it you had already fixed and i did not notice. I am very inexperienced doing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimsmith222 (talk • contribs)

I see that you removed some earlier vandalism there a couple of years ago.Don't worry about it, edit conflicts happen all the time. Thanks for watching out. I've remopved the warning. Acroterion (talk) 00:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Iberia Parish Sheriff's Office (Louisiana)

I am confused as to what happened to this nice little article. I wrote it and it had several cites. I maintain that it is notable. Another editor posted an unusual deletion template. The template asked that I not remove it until 29 August. Now, as I was about to remove the template, boom! The entire article is gone.

What just happened? By the way, do you think the article should have been deleted? Many thanks,--PaulinSaudi (talk) 22:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

It was a proposed deletion, meaning that any time after seven days from nomination it can be deleted. If the notice is removed it's considered contested, and either left alone or submitted for an articles for deletion discussion. You could have removed the template and contested it, but in reviewing the deleted content, I don't see more than purely local mention in press, so it would have a hard time meeting the general notability guideline. Have they gotten written up anywhere outside of Louisiana? I can put it in your userspace for you to develop. Acroterion (talk) 00:32, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Sure, please toss it into my sandbox and something may come of it. PaulinSaudi (talk) 09:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Question (IV)

The evidence is them saying “shock the pants off of ya”. I proposed in the article talk page regarding the content dispute. This is conduct dispute. They can’t just say mean things to anyone. GoodDay bringing the content out in the conduct dispute doesn’t change that. Advise, please. KosomPolskii (talk) 05:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

It’s an ironic colloquialism that is in no way mean or offensive. Sometimes things like that don’t translate well. It’s not an insult or even a little mean. Acroterion (talk) 05:06, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay, understood, no contest. Regarding the content, do you think I need consensus, as I waited for a week and the additions were well-sourced? KosomPolskii (talk) 05:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Silence is not consensus, and you had apparently left. Acroterion (talk) 11:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think 'I waited for a week' means very much here. While WP:Silence can be a thing in this case it remains clear there is opposition. More importantly 'I waited' is highly misleading here. You didn't 'wait'. You were blocked and after some initial evasion you finally stopped. That's not 'wait'ing. Further you said you were retiring and your user talk page still says that. It's unreasonable to expect people need to respond when there's no reason to. And there's no need to when the editor wanting to make the change is gone for at least 7 days and had indicated they might not be coming backNil Einne (talk) 05:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

It would help if you'd make a decision about whether you're going to use your registered account or your IP, at the List of titles and honours of George VI discussion. Would be less confusing, for other editors. GoodDay (talk) 05:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Question V

You think a Freedom of Information report is a good source for Wikipedia? KosomPolskii (talk) 07:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

FOIA requests are primary sources and are a component of original research. - so, no. Acroterion (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

I launched a sockpuppet investigation into this user's edits, since he seems to be constantly returning for one sole reason, even after being blocked: to edit out Mark Milley and readd David Goldfein as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After his latest blocking, I wanted to ask you if this investigation should still stand, since another user under a new username returns with the same edit pattern a few weeks after the previous account is blocked indefinitely. SuperWIKI (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Requesting help and outside opinion

Hi, hope you're doing well. I need some outside help with this article in dealing with an editor who doesn't want any legal issues displayed that may come across as negative on the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Intellivision_Amico#50.88.235.139 Thank you for any help you can provide! 50.88.235.139 (talk) 17:10, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Complaint

So because I succinctly pointed that you were wrong, you flagged that as an attack. The article is culturally insensitive and needs fixing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.238.219 (talk • contribs)

Actually, another editor removed your complaint. Stop changing sourced content to what you prefer. Acroterion (talk) 01:11, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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WTC-7

You are the author of the page 7 World Trade Center? FactFinder3 (talk) 02:11, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

No. Many editors have worked on it, and it is a featured article as a result. I am, however, an architect, so by the same logic you've presented on that talkpage, I am an infallible expert in all areas of building design. Acroterion (talk) 02:32, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

PLEASE RESTORE THE RIGHT VERSION OF JOHN FRANEK

I am begging you, please. I cannot find all the sources again and write another biography page. I know my other version exists there somewhere and some Administrator can find and retrieve it. I need that version, as it was the cleaner, more usable version. Please, I am begging you. I don't have the mental strength to write it again and I might as well give up. This is really why people leave Wikipedia, the unfair rulings.

I AM BEGGING YOU WITH ALL MY HEART, please restore the other version. I could break out in tears, I worked so hard on the other version. Please, dear god answer me please.

Gongfong2021 (talk) 02:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Tuskegee monument

Stop undoing my edits. I live in Tuskegee and am fully aware of the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gijoegotogo (talk • contribs)

You are going beyond the facts into statements of opinion about the motivations of other people. Stick to those things that can be cited to reliable sources. Acroterion (talk)…

And you were wrong on both counts. But thank you for drawing this to my attention, I'll spend some more time expanding and referencing the article. Acroterion (talk) 12:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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User4721 again

New report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/User4721, the ducks are quacking very loudly. FDW777 (talk) 18:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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A pie for you!

Hey Dude, are you saying you're older than me? I'm 60. BTW I agree with your block. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:35, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

I am, by a couple of years. Still, off to work now. Acroterion (talk) 12:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Ongoing problem with Robjwev

In June, I took a dispute with Robjwev (talk · contribs) to ANI which resulted in you blocking them from editing one article for 48 hours, see the last two sections of this version of their talk page, where you told them "Your conduct toward Rsk6400 has been a series of personal attacks".

Since then, we had a series of disagreements at African_Americans and Racism against Black Americans, the latter leading to this discussion. Apart from their words at the end ("That's the part where you seem to escape logic and reason, something no amount of text can fix."), I feel that their revert was particularly unfair.

Already before that, they got me entangled in a lengthy discussion in which I tried to point out why they had simply misread a statistical table (confusing "2 % of American Jews are African Americans" with "2 % of African Americans are Jewish"). The number of their reverts of my edits at both articles made me ask them whether they were hounding me (here - since only two article are involved, I now doubt that WP:HOUNDING is the correct name for that sort of harassment.) They answered with an accusation of WP:OWNBEHAVIOR, but didn't give the example I asked for.

I'm going to inform them on their user talk of this discussion. Of course, I'd greatly appreciate any kind of help. --Rsk6400 (talk) 16:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll have to look at the issues when I have a little more time to properly review them. I'll go through it this evening. Acroterion (talk) 16:37, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

While they're being needlessly personal, I don't see it as rising to the level that previously existed, and unless it continues, I don't see a need for uintervention. Acroterion (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Why my page is published yet?

Hi sir, I made a Wikipedia page after following those rules but why it Isn't published yet? Atiqul Islam Sakib (talk) 10:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

deepwoodsacademy

Why did you delete my page?

Deepwoodsacademy (talk) 20:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a free webhost for fiction. Talkpages are a place to tell us a little about your activities on Wikipedia, not places to publish things you've made up. Acroterion (talk) 22:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Who is reverting what?

Who is reverting what? Have you flagged the other editors?

I've suggested to take it to the talk page which is the correct thing to do. --Iyo-farm (talk) 14:48, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Which I've done. Stop edit-warring to include inappropriate peripheral characterizations. Acroterion (talk) 14:51, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Progressive Alliance

So is the PA website a "Not reliable" source for the (eg.) UK Labour Party having such an international affiliation? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 22:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

The consensus is that the unsupprted claim is not credible.You are welcome to look for other sources. Please review the talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 22:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Did you have a look at Wikipedia's own article on the Progressive Alliance. Shall I edit or will you? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 22:27, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I have no interest in that article, if you want to note there that the PA claims the Democratic party is a member, but that there is no independent corroboration, you are welcome to do so. Acroterion (talk) 22:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

See WP:SELFSOURCE. Acroterion (talk) 22:32, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

You should have an interest, because you are a Wikipedian. By leaving that article unedited, you are allowing inaccurate information that the Dems are part of the PA to circulate on the internet. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 22:35, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

So fix it. Acroterion (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

re: WP:NOTCENSORED & September holocaust

As per WP:NOTCENSORED, I don't think you understand how the Wikipedia works.

Some articles may include images, text, or links which are relevant to the topic but that some people find objectionable. Discussion of potentially objectionable content should usually focus not on its potential offensiveness

I am not attempt[ing] to equate the organized genocide of entire races and religions with the slaughter of 100,000s of companion animals. I am documenting the evolution of the word, & how it mutated from applying to animals, to human beings.

I suspect you'd just not heard of the British pet massacre before & not only was it a big surprise but that you remain uninformed about it.

Take a look at the article, check over the references, & the people & organizations involved, & you'll start to understand. It's genuinely historic & directly connected.

Thank you.

--Iyo-farm (talk) 12:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you understand how Wikipedia works.

Really?

For your part, you are abusing NOTCENSORED in a manner common to POV warriors who abuse the policy to demand than anything and everything be included in a given topic. You appear to be abusing peripheral articles on profoundly important topics to indulge a personal point of view. Please stop, and please realize that patience with your conduct is limited and rapidly running out. Acroterion (talk) 12:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Do you call Mass-Observation (it was the equivalent to a British CIA at the time) & British black-propaganda unit, NARPAC & numerous leading members of the British war effort, Queen Elizabeth, Goering & von Ribbentrop, "peripheral" to the development of what happened during WWII? --Iyo-farm (talk) 01:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

WP:GAMING

Nothing more than WP:GAMING --Iyo-farm (talk) 02:50, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Acroterion!

Can you pleaase protect all Wikipedia pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4454:608:F500:2880:B536:8517:5D79 (talk) 08:09, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

<sigh> if only... - wolf 21:45, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Let's see, 6,387,400 articles X 15 seconds each to fill out the paperwork = 95,811,000 seconds/1,596,850 minutes/26,614 hours/1,109 days. I'll get right on it. Acroterion (talk) 22:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

You're only counting the articles. I think the IP requested all 54,304,029 pages. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Then I guess I'd better pack a lunch. Acroterion (talk) 22:34, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Well it would solve a lot of problems. (Would it create others? Oh my. Guess we could find out. :) ) Antandrus (talk) 23:11, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Drum Corps articles

Would you support creating List of DCI Open Class corps and List of defunct DCI corps as WP:Stand-alone lists, merging some of the various articles you've nominated at AFD? I'm not sure there's enough about "all-age" DCA corps to justify a similar article for those groups but a similar option may work there. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 19:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think these can be sourced enough for a list and consolidated. I'd like to preserve some of the content and lose the cruft. Honestly, only the World-class units that have seen competitive success seem to be notable, the lower echelon outfits probably need to go too, but I don't want to do that all at once. A well-structured list would be a good home. Acroterion (talk) 23:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I have started the process at List of defunct Drum Corps International member corps. I am dropping the performance songlists and some obvious cruft but merging most of the rest; there is still a lot of cruft and unsourced material being merged but I want to minimize interleaving Copying within Wikipedia with my own editorial changes. Going to wait at least 36 hours to see if any DCI people notice/comment before doing more merges. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:29, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

The DCI people have been rather quiet. I really don't want to rain on anybody's parade (ahem), but most of those articles shouldn't exist on their own. A list is a good solution, but independent sourcing remains an issue. Acroterion (talk) 00:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

One merge got reverted (for reasonable-enough reasons), the others seem to have stuck. I'll merge another batch to the defunct article now, and start the "Open Class" (aka division 2) article tomorrow or the next day. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, have at it. Acroterion (talk) 00:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hi Acroterion. In your opinion as an admin, do political pundits and talking heads (think Bill O'Reilly, Rachel Maddow, etc.) fall under the AP2 topic (and potentially discretionary measures)? If so, does that only apply if they specifically address explicitly political topics, or does the umbrella also include cultural topics that have become politicized ("wokeness", vaccines, the "war on Christmas", etc.)? Grandpallama (talk) 22:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

The short answer is: it depends on context and who is interpreting the context.

In my view, since everything that can possibly be politicized is politicized, it would fall under AP2 if the overall trend of editing behavior appears to be politically motivated. I am not in favor or extending broad-brush sanctions or warnings simply because someone passes through a topic like those, and vaccines, for example, would be a hard sell unless there's a distinct political tone to a given set of edits. Since you are discussing specifically political pundits, their statements would be covered by AP2 - but they're not the ones editing Wikipedia, so I'm not sure how you think it would be applied. As an admin, I am leery of prejudging things like that, or judging them at all unless some editor is following a pattern that would clearly invite sanctions. Acroterion (talk) 02:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

True--everything is dependent upon context. Thank you for the very thoughtful answer, which makes a great deal of sense. (And I know it's difficult to address stuff like that in the abstract!) For clarification, I was thinking of the BLP articles about political pundits, and therefore comments they might make about politicized issues that are not inherently political topics (such as vaccines), and criticisms they receive in the wake of those comments. There are often attempts to scrub well-sourced material from articles that is critical of their subjects (both on the left and on the right), and when someone digs in their heels and edit wars to keep it in/out (without discussion, etc.), it seems to me that a discretionary sanctions warning might be merited, especially when there are clues that the editor might not be on the up-and-up. Thanks again! Grandpallama (talk) 21:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Robjwev - continues

At the end of our previous discussion, you wrote unless it continues, I don't see a need for uintervention. Sorry to say, my problem with Robjwev (talk · contribs) continues. In a long discussion at Talk:Racism against Black Americans they were WP:STONEWALLING, in the end they reverted without taking my objections into account[11]. In order not to escalate, I refrained from giving them a warning on their talk page. During said discussion, they wrote "it seems that you disagree only to be disagreeable, unwilling to compromise." When I saw that they reverted another editor at African Americans with an edit summary that made no sense to me[12], I reverted them[13], adding "Don't revert just for the sake of reverting". They responded with uw-agf1 on my talk page[14]. I feel a bit silly taking this to you again, but if I (as the attacked person) placed a uw-tempabuse2 on their talk page, that would be even more silly.

Pinging @Robjwev: --Rsk6400 (talk) 19:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

This really isn't a situation that an individual admin can or should arbitrate or adjudicate. There is no egregious misconduct of the kind that would warrant admin intervention. I suggest taking this to DR. Acroterion (talk) 02:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

2601:644:8D80:AB10:75E6:B782:FF8D:6866

Frankly, when they come off their block they will start up again...cuck, LOL, I think edit summary nicely sums up why I do not think a show block will work, it's clear they are just a troll.Slatersteven (talk) 11:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

The other activity on that /64 is interesting, and I want to see what they do. Reblocking for a long term is easy. Acroterion (talk) 11:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

GregRendon469

In a kind of edit conflict, I blocked GregRendon469 just as you were giving a warning of a possible block if they continued in the same way. If you think it better to give them another chance, feel free to unblock. My expectation is that it will probably make no difference either way, because it looks like a genuine spammer, rather than a good faith editor who simply doesn't realise that promotional editing isn't acceptable, and experience over the years is that the true spammers almost never edit again anyway, whether blocked or not. JBW (talk) 12:41, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I xould have gone wither way, indef is fine, it was obvious spam. Acroterion (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Threatening abusive power for disagreeing viewpoints

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. This user threatened to ban me for disagreeing on a serious topic regarding life and death for people trying to survive covid 19 in regards to ivermectin:talk. Instead of taking any kind of rational balanced view, he/she threatened to ban me for simply arguing passionately about a serious topic. Clearly this is not appropriate for a page spreading disinformation to begin with, only to then threaten anyone pointing out the lies with a ban. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asailum (talk • contribs) 05:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't look like you ever made it to ANI. Acroterion (talk) 15:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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Ouvrage La Ferté

Hello, first of all, I wanted to let you know that I have crossed your way several times on a lot of articles about France, châteaux and the Maginot Line, and clearly, your level of French language is much more than "un niveau élémentaire" (as on your user page), congratulations. I am a French user, learning English, which is a much easier language, but it's not always easy for me.

Today, my question is about Ouvrage La Ferté, which is a good article where you contributed a lot, but this article is not written in British English as it should be, according to the MOS, because the main article (Maginot Line) is in British English. I have already corrected some articles about the Maginot Line, a lot of them mixed several English, but as this one is a good article, I want to be sure that I can do it before doing something wrong. Thank you very much in advance for your help. Have a nice day. L'Oiseau Lybre (talk) 23:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. My proficiency in French has declined since I was an architecture student in Paris 40 years ago, but I can still read French with reasonable ease. Writing it is another matter.

I wrote in American usage because I'm American, and unless there's an obvious reason, like the subject being directly related to the UK, there's no policy to prefer an English variant for a subject concerning France. I'm not aware of any preference that a given set of articles reflect the general article topic either - where do you see that in the Manual of Style? For me, writing significant content in another variant is a distraction and remembering to use colour, humour, spelt, storey, bonnet, boot, etc. detracts from from getting the subject matter right, so I have not tried, except, of course, where the topic demands it. GA didn't and doesn't require it, and WP:ENGVAR applies only within individual articles, not broad topics. For instance, most articles on colors use American spelling, but Orange (colour), does not, and it's not a matter for concern - the article was first written by someone using British variant English, and it's stayed that way ever since. I like it that way because it's an opportunity to educate people who may not realize that there are national English varieties at all.

Alf that said, I have no profound objection to adjusting usage in those articles to UK usage, and definitely have no concerns about adjusting for consistency where there are mixed orthographies. I just think you're setting yourself up for a lot of work that the MoS doesn't demand. WP:RETAIN probably applies best. Acroterion (talk) 23:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. You have good remains in 40 years.

I strongly agree with you about everything you said. My point is only for consistency because a lot of articles are using mixed orthographies and sometimes it's not easy to define which one was the first or the most present in the page. Otherwise, I don't mind if it's British or American English, as you said, it's better to avoid nationalism when it's possible.

You are right, I can't find it again, but I'm pretty sure that I read something about the consistency of broad topics, that's strange. Thank you again. L'Oiseau Lybre (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Somewhere somebody may have expressed a preference, but as far as I know there's no actual policy. In any case, I appreciate your help and attention to those articles. I've tried to avoid interpreting French sources where there is a matter of tone or nuance, because I don't trust my interpretation skills in matters that aren't plain facts. I appreciate your help and your attention to the subject - please feel free to expand on them.

Your level of English proficiency does you credit - working within national language variations in a second language is no easy task! Acroterion (talk) 00:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

If I find it again, I would let you know.

Thank you for your help. I will try to expand them as much as possible, and editing Wikipedia helps me to practise in English, even if I make some mistakes sometimes. English is still easier than French, even for a French. Switching between American and British English is easy too; my girlfriend is Scottish, that's much more complicated. L'Oiseau Lybre (talk) 00:32, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I think you have enough on your mind, dealing with Scottish dialect. If you want to, you can fill in missing diacritics in the French text I've referenced.I don't have the right keyboard, and at times I was too lazy to find them in the little editing window and put them in. Acroterion (talk) 00:44, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes, it's not easy without the right keyboard. I will check that ;) L'Oiseau Lybre (talk) 17:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Am I replying to you correctly?

Hi Acroterion,

I need a lot of help. Is it possible to hire someone for Administrative management purposes?FactCheckOntario (talk) 02:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. What is your reason for asking? Acroterion (talk) 02:43, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

The above user posed a similar question at my talk page, but then deleted it, so I'm not sure what is going on here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --Kinu ^t/_c 18:53, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Killing of Eurie Martin

I started a new article. So far not a single person has edited it. Want to take a look? --PaulinSaudi (talk) 13:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you find sources outside of Georgia? Acroterion (talk) 17:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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‘Unnecessary contributions’

Thank you. I promise, I had no intention of making any unnecessary contributions. I sincerely apologise, if I’ve caused any harm. Electromagnetic induction (talk) 00:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Now that you know that we don't appreciate editors who game the system to try to disrupt articles, you can turn your attention to constructive edits, preferably using straightforward language. Acroterion (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you once again, Acroterion. Electromagnetic induction (talk) 07:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

'Accusation to myself of biasm and vandalism'

I am quite upset, as there is a section on the page for Albert Speer that seems very clearly in my opinion to advertise a book, and make the assertion that Speers declaration of regret for partaking in the nazi party was a lie. Which, legally, is slander. It also seems amiss to me that my reversion of the reversion of my edit was literally immediately, to the minute, reverted. May you please explain why my removal of this section was consider persistent vandalism, and why the section, which in addition to being slander and advertising also makes the introductory segment of the page very long indeed, is a defensible part of the article. Suspending me from editing the article after my second edit on the basis of 'persistent vandalism', in of itself seems to be a misuse of power. I would be OK with the paragraph being moved from the introduction and worded in such a way that presents it clearly as subjective speculation rather than objective fact! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terran 5998 (talk • contribs)

The lead sections summarize the sourced content in the body of the article. You need to find consensus before removing things you disagree with. Please read the entire article and discuss what you believe to be problematic on the talkpage, preferably without the complaints that Speer's being posthumously slandered - he was a Nazi, that's plenty already. Please understand that this is a featured article, which has been reviewed by many editors, so you will need to find consensus, backed by sources, to support your suggestions. You've been doing this sort of thing on a variety of pages, please take the time to understand the editing process and how Wikipedia works. As for the Speer page, it has seen extensive recent vandalism, and I was responding to the request that the article be protect in view of the problems appearing in the last couple of days. That will give you an opportunity to use the talkpage to make your case, as you are supposed to. It's not all about you. Acroterion (talk) 01:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I have been using wikipedia for over two years although I lost the details to my last account and generally make edits without one. I have read the article, and don't beleive anything to be problematic except the slander and advertising that is clearly evident in the introductory segment. You say "He was a nazi, that's plenty already", although sir, as a Jewish man, I share your dislike of Nazis, I believe integrity to be one of the highest virtues, and as such, slandering a man based on the testimony of a single authour, is not only wrong in the legal sense, but is in contradiction to the wikipedia guidelines sir, and I will pursue this matter further. Could you please explain how I am to have a source, for stating that saying someone is a liar without evidence is immoral and un-encyclopedic? But I think your banning of my account based on a harmless comment on your talk page proves my case, and will be instrumental in my appeal. Hopefully concluding with your removal from wikipedia

Your cross-post in the section looked like the continuation of editing by a problematic editor I was dealing with a few minutes ago - I apologize for the error, and you're unblocked. We multi-task, and sometimes edit conflicts look peculiar, especially when you've switched from using an IP to an account in the middle of the discussion. Stop calling people liars, and make your case on the talkpage as you are supposed to. Are you acquainted with an account named HarveyCarter? Acroterion (talk) 01:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Ester 9002 (talk) 05:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

On the topic of LemonJuice78

If it doesn't inconvenience you at this time, I'd like to inform you that, as stated in a recent report of mine, that LemonJuice has been edit blocked before on Commons for consistent downloads of non-free images with the CC-BY-SA 4.0. license (or mislabelling free images with this license). Even after that block, LemonJuice78 continued to upload images the same way as if the block didn't happen. As such, I'm unsure whether the site-wide block here will get his attention, as he may or may not seem unaware that he has talk pages on both these sites. I don't like to assume, but the lack of communication is implying that. SuperWIKI (talk) 02:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

While Commons isn't our direct concern, a pattern of non-communication is developing, and refusal to respond in any way is concerning.This isn't like the known problem with mobile IP users not being able to see notifications, it's not hard to see the orange bar of death at the top of the page of an account and to click on it. Acroterion (talk) 03:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

In spite of the block, it seems LemonJuice has gone straight back to his usual disruptive editing on William Westmoreland, A Very Stable Genius, and I Alone Can Fix It, unnecessarily adding the details of Mark Milley's selection as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in particular. SuperWIKI (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Blocked now for two weeks. I'll compose a note, patience for that kind of thing is scant. Acroterion (talk) 22:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

gjspring page deleted - why?

Hello,

I am artist Gary Springer and created an autobiographical Wikipedia page for myself. I've been excitedly awaiting publication of this page.

I was disappointed to see that it was deleted by you in March 2021.

Please let me know what I need to do to recreate/restore this page without it being deleted.

Thank you,

Gary Springer

<redact email> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjspring (talk • contribs) 15:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 12:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Revdel

Please and thank you. – ².O.^Boxing 10:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done Girth Summit _(blether) 10:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Remove aspersions from own Talk Page

Hi Acroterion,

I have a problem and I do not know who to ask, as apparently AN is not the place. Before coming to AN I had edited Concubinage (law), where I removed the imprecision that concubinage is a 14th century revival. Immediately my edit was reverted and the same editor who reverted it left this message on my talk page. But since I was not wrong after all, my edit was kept in the end. I don't want anything else than be left in peace, so I would like that this message be removed from my Talk page, as it is not based on facts. I have tried to ask the user who left the message to remove it twice, but my first request has been ignored and my second request has been reverted by another user who mysteriously watches other people's talk pages (their edit summary was even “remove trolling”). How can I do to have WP:ASPERSIONS removed from my Talk Page? Thank you for your help. --Grufo (talk) 09:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Now that your block has expired, you can clear your talkpage as you wish.. if you want to be left in peace, leave others in peace, and don’t revive old arguments. I think you misunderstand what an aspersion is, though. In any case, do it yourself. Acroterion (talk) 11:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

“you can clear your talkpage as you wish”

I believe doing it would go against WP:TPO.

“if you want to be left in peace, leave others in peace”

If I wanted not to leave Iskandar323 in peace I would hardly search for third party comments at A3N or like I am doing right now, but I would proceed the way they did.

“don’t revive old arguments”

An argument that never received a single answer is not old, it never started.

“I think you misunderstand what an aspersion is, though”

That is interesting. At WP:ASPERSIONS a series of rules are listed. Maybe you can help me understand how this message does not constitute an example of

An editor must not accuse another of misbehavior without evidence, especially when the accusations are repeated or severe. If accusations must be made, they should be raised, with evidence, on the user-talk page of the editor they concern or in the appropriate forums.

and this edit summary does not constitute an example of

It is unacceptable for an editor to routinely accuse others of misbehavior without reasonable cause in an attempt to besmirch their reputations. Concerns, if they cannot be resolved directly with the other users involved, should be brought up in the appropriate forums with evidence, if at all.

You don't have to answer my questions, I can try to ask another admin if you prefer. --Grufo (talk) 17:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

TPO applies to article talkpages. WP:UOWN applies to user talkpages. You are free to remove everything but active block declines, and since you're not blocked you can remove whatever you want to, as long as you remove the entire thread.. I'm not going to debate you about anything else - my advice to you is to stop looking for reasons to argue about things, and to take the time tio listen to what other people are telling you rather than interpreting what you think they're saying.Your problems have been brought about by this failure to carefully listen.. Acroterion (talk) 17:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I have just been called troll by a user who reverted a message of mine from another user's Talk Page (the whole thing already is quite odd). I want you to be honest, Acroterion, imagine that happened to you: what would you do? Thank you for the explanation about user talk pages by the way. --Grufo (talk) 17:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Administrators get that on a weekly basis, and lots worse, up to and including death threats. Ignore it, that's what we do, and don't post on those users' talkpages to badger them about perceived injustices. Acroterion (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the wise suggestion. --Grufo (talk) 23:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

User:UserABCXYZ

Hello, Acroterion,

I saw your patient comments on this blocked editor's talk page and I thought I'd add a comment. This editor is now confirmed as a sockpuppet of User:HARSH VARDHAN SHARMA "TARA". This editor and all of their sockpuppets' primary goal has been to have an article on themselves on Wikipedia. These articles have been deleted in both main space and draft space and the pages have extended protection. Hence, their frantic level of activity to reach extended confirmed status. They even expressed their desire to become confirmed on their talk page so they could write more articles. Their sockpuppets have also visited WP:REFUND 7 or 8 times asking for their deleted bio to be restored despite repeated explanations of why that was not going to happen.

Another strange tell is an interest in Queen Elizabeth as they wrote a book on QE2 and have tried to get a Wikipedia article about their book as well as a biography of themselves. So, if you see these signs again in an overly eager new editor, please report them at SPI. Many thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I had not encountered this particular LTA before, I'll keep them in mind.I saw that they'd been CU blocked, and the ensuing drama. As we are both aware, it's often hard to know if you're really being patient with a new user, or just feeding a troll.Acroterion (talk) 23:53, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

help

at the Template:Fascism sidebar and Template:Nazism sidebar, it mentions authoritarian democracy which i added a while ago, but now am unsure since it does not seem to be mentioned in mainstream sources, does fascism and nazism support a form of democracy or is this article and its inclusion in other articles inaccurate? Gooduserdude (talk) 17:18, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't claim to be a serious student of political science - the article on authoritarian democracy is interesting, but I'm in no position to comment on the sources. If you take the article at face value, there appears to be a relationship between the two. Acroterion (talk) 18:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Electromagnetic sensitivity as a real condition.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32289567/ Above link confirms electromagnetic sensitivity as a real condition, caused by over exposure to electromagnetic radiation. 188.65.190.74 (talk) 22:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

We present the consensus of reliable medical and scientific research, not the conclusions of single studies. Take it to the talkpage, and read WP:MEDRS, which applies,and WP:FRINGE. Acroterion (talk) 22:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Francis1864

Howdy. The editor-in-question is gonna be trouble, I believe. GoodDay (talk) 02:26, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I will take their blanking to indicate that they've read what we've written. It's an interesting legal thesis to insist that the ADA protects products rather than people, and that they're being singled out because of their features for the vision-impaired - that was scarcely mentioned in the article. Let's see if they settle down some. Acroterion (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

New request for help

Hi Acroterion,

Once again I need advice. The same editor who reverted my comment on another user's Talk Page and called me a troll is doing something similar in Talk:Sexual slavery in Islam. There is a bullet list written by another user, which, among other things, mentions my words. However a bullet point got mixed with my words, so I split it, leaving a message in the Talk Page and pinging the original author to make them aware of my changes. However, the editor who called me a troll keeps reverting my edits without leaving any motivation in the Talk Page (#1, #2). What should I do? Do you think I should go to WP:ANI? --Grufo (talk) 16:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

You edited another user's comments - you should not do that, and they were correct to revert, and they explained why in their edit summary. Make your own comment in a new section below the comments you're responding to. Never change someone else's talkpage comments. Acroterion (talk) 17:31, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I am confused. What about WP:TPO?

Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. If you make anything more than minor changes, it is good practice to leave a short explanatory note such as "[potential libel removed by ~~~~]".

Which is exactly what I did, given that there were words I never pronounced involved. --Grufo (talk) 17:39, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

It's best practice to never alter anybody else's posts to make them appear to have said something different from what the actually did say, not even spelling corrections. There are exceptions, but they are few ,and I don't think what you did was a good way to approach your concerns. When in doubt, just add your own comment, separately. Acroterion (talk) 17:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

We might discuss about what could be best, but the fact that another editor keeps touching other people's comments without leaving any explanatory message remains. And given that it looks like a trend, it is quite likely that they will do it again in the future. In the meanwhile, what should I do with the unrelated bullet point that got mixed with my words? --Grufo (talk) 17:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Make a section below and explain what you propose, and don't concern yourself with the actions of other editors - you must focus on content, not other editors. Acroterion (talk) 23:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Below here in your talk page you mean, or below in Talk:Sexual slavery in Islam? As for the second, I have created § A reverse approach with the intention of defining what the current scope is according to each single editor, so that eventually it becomes possible to criticize it. Until we define what the current scope is it is impossible to criticize the current scope. That is at least what I believe. After all a page already exists and it does not talk about French fries. --Grufo (talk) 23:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

On the article talkpage. Please allow other editors to comment, and see if they agree - that is essential. Acroterion (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. Thank you. --Grufo (talk) 01:20, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk:The Vegan Society

Sorry. Must have stepped on your undo of the IP/sock. If you want the edit to remain I'll undo myself. Meters (talk) 05:05, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

No, go ahead. I'm looking through the IPs, and want to appropriately attribute the ANI posts to the IP. Acroterion (talk) 05:07, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Confused.. do you want the IP's contribution, correctly attributed to the IP, to be restored to that talk page? Meters (talk) 05:11, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

That too. Especially since their behavior is intended to be confusing. Acroterion (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I see what you're asking now - I don't care either way, their behavior is plain enough, and continues the pattern of blind refusal to heed anything other than their own voice. It can go as far as I'm concerned, but if it says up, it should have the additional attribution. Acroterion (talk) 05:16, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Already put it back, and it has now been tagged as the IP's edit. Somehow I overwrote your edit without noticing it. What a mess. Meters (talk) 05:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I’ll see if I can disentangle thr series and probably just do away wi5h it. Acroterion (talk) 12:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Removal

Hi there. You removed an edit I made. Can I know the reason for this? Thanks. Portalplop (talk) 15:50, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

@Portalplop: It was explained by Acroterion on your talk page in his/her message of 15:44, 13 November 2021 at User talk:Portalplop#November 2021.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:42, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

You need to provide sources, as I advised. Acroterion (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi there. I will try to find sources however it may have not been documented as it happened between bandmates and members. Also I did include a source in the form of a video and this was still removed. Why was this? Portalplop (talk) 20:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

We don't accept Youtube videos as sources under almost all conditions. They're hard to source and tend to be unreliable, speaking as a whole, and demand more effort to verify than printed documentation. Acroterion (talk) 20:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Coahuiltecan page edits

Hi there you stated my facts about Coahuiltecan people existing to this day were not reliably sourced-my reliable source is my existence and the existence of the tap pilam Coahuiltecan nation and other non federally recognized Coahuiltecan tribes Cuervo411 (talk) 01:13, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

We don't take other editors' personal assurances as references. Please provide appropriate references based in academic ethnography. Acroterion (talk) 01:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Macrobiotic talk-page

Iyo-farm is still evading his block on many mobile IPs on the macrobiotic talk-page [15]. Is there any chance the page could be temporally locked? Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:29, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I've just blocked them. I don't recommend that you engage them, it will waste time and encourage them. Just report them to AIV or SPI - you'll have to show the chain of IPs in either case. RBI. If they return to the talkpage they can be blocked, and the talkpage can be a honeypot. Acroterion (talk) 15:13, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk page access

After this I think it might be in order to revoke talk page access. DuncanHill (talk) 04:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Done. No more deffamtion. Acroterion (talk) 04:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Deffamtion is a terrible thing. Nobody should ever be deffamted. Thanks :) DuncanHill (talk) 04:32, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Where is the Kyle Rittenhouse Page?

Wayback seems to show one! I did a wayback and it seems there was a Kyle Rittenhouse page, why was it deleted? I think I know why! https://web.archive.org/web/changes/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Rittenhouse 66.68.178.180 (talk) 00:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

You mean Kenosha unrest shooting? --Orange Mike | Talk 00:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Spare us your insinuations, the content concerning Rittenhouse is at Kenosha unrest shooting, in accordance with Wikipedia policy concerning biographies of living persons who are notable for a single event. Acroterion (talk) 00:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Then why does wayback show a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Rittenhouse from 2020 until just 2 days ago? And why so much deleting in the last two days at Kenosha Unrest to correct all the lies that liberal wiki editors would not allow to be placed in the last year under Kyle_Rittenhouse, just like CNN is doing as of today. Wonder if fear of lawsuits could be what makes liberals actually tell the truth, amazing all of Wikipedia's "reliable sources" got it wrong and all the sources liberal wiki won't allow as sources got it right! I know this makes you mad, but too bad, be truthful.66.68.178.180 (talk) 01:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

It's been a redirect all along. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:51, 21 November 2021 (UTC)Your comment

The history is here: [16]. I have no interest in the subject, and haven't participated in any of the content. Take your suspicions and insinuations elsewhere. Acroterion (talk) 01:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

User name that may need attention

It is WorldGolfHOF (talk · contribs). HOF is Hall of Fame and there is the World Golf Hall of Fame....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Censoring the word "censorship" a talk title

The title of a discussion (about censorship and privacy) that I started has been repeatedly altered by the users advocating for censorship in that instance here and here.

In particular, they always removed the word "censorship" from the title without any comment.

Now, that that discussion is hopefully concluded, it has been mainly been about censorship, editing and the Wikipedia consensus process. So I decided to re-add the word "censorship" into the title here, because that was the point of contention.

You then promptly reverted that edit along with a stupid Futurama reference joke with the comment "Not helpful". Now, I assume the "Not helpful" comment relates to the dumb joke part and not the "the title of a discussion about censorship is allowed to use the word 'censorship'"-part, but at this point I don't want to assume.

So, can I have "censorship" in the title of my complaining about censorship or does that have to be censored? (And if so, why?)

Kind regards. Dufaer (talk) 02:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

No. Stop using the article talkpage as a soapbox for your views - consensus has long since been established, please respect it. You are closing on on a block for disruptive behavior if you continue. Acroterion (talk) 02:34, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Alrighty then! I shall drop it. Have a good day. Dufaer (talk) 02:38, 26 November 2021 (UTC)